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--- fumc:hymn-discussions [2026/02/25 22:43] – [July 5] Soldiers of Christ, Arise (wild idea) naptastic
+++ fumc:hymn-discussions [2026/05/03 00:16] (current) – [August 23] assign hymn naptastic
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 =====Intention and Design=====
-There are thirteen classes. Intentions for the series:
+There are twelve classes. Intentions for the series:
-  * Fill thirteen weeks
+  * Fill twelve weeks
   * Hold singing in the space and time where choir practice would be
   * Increase participation in choir when it starts back up
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 =====Hymns=====
-These are (almost) all the hymns in the blue hymnal by Charles and John Wesley. I've added asterisks for hymns when someone has pointed one out as a favorite.
+Here are the 18 hymns we've selected for the class. For a complete list of hymns Charles and John have in the blue book, consult the page history, or the author's index in the hymnal.
 ^ Number ^ Title ^ Remarks ^
-^ Charles Wesley ^^^
+|57| O For a Thousand Tongues to Sing|Ready - June 14|
-|57| O For a Thousand Tongues to Sing|* Ready to play|
+|60| I’ll Praise My Maker While I’ve Breath|I need to hear this.|
-|88| Maker, in Whom We Live||
+|129| Give to the Winds Thy Fears|Ready - June 21|
-|96| Praise the Lord Who Reigns Above||
-|153| Thou Hidden Source of Calm Repose||
 |173| Christ, Whose Glory Fills the Skies||
-|181| Ye Servants of God||
+|196| Come, Thou Long-Expected Jesus |Hyfrydol; only 2 verses.|
-|193| Jesus! The Name High over All||
+|240| Hark! The Herald Angels Sing |about half ready|
-|196| Come, Thou Long-Expected Jesus |* Hyfrydol; only 2 verses. I kinda don't want to...|
+|302| Christ the Lord Is Risen Today |about half ready|
-|240| Hark! The Herald Angels Sing |* about half ready|
+|339| Come, Sinners, to the Gospel Feast |ready - June 28|
-|282| Tis Finished! The Messiah Dies||
+|384| Love Divine, All Loves Excelling |90% ready|
-|287| O Love Divine, What Hast Thou Done||
+|385| Let Us Plead For Faith Alone |read music from 562. I need help learning this.|
-|302| Christ the Lord Is Risen Today |* about half ready|
+|413| A Charge to Keep I Have |half ready; I'm struggling|
-|312| Hail the Dat That Sees Him Rise||
+|417| O For a Heart to Praise My God|I need to hear this|
-|332| Spirit of Faith, Come Down||
+|513| Soldiers of Christ, Arise|10% - July 5|
-|339| Come, Sinners, to the Gospel Feast |* 90% ready|
+|553| And Are We Yet Alive |Denis; about 90% ready|
-|355| Depth of Mercy||
+|562| Jesus, Lord, We Look to Thee |Same tune as 385|
-|363| And Can It Be that I Should Gain||
+|627| O the Depth of Love Divine |I need to hear this.|
-|372| How Can We Sinners Know||
+|709| Come, Let Us Join Our Friends Above|20% maybe|
-|379| Blow Ye the Trumpet, Blow||
+|715| Rejoice, the Lord Is King|I like this one but I //really// like the LDS version...|
-|384| Love Divine, All Loves Excelling |* more than half ready|
-|385| Let Us Plead for Faith Alone||
-|386| Come, O Thou Traveler Unknown||
-|388| O Come and Dwell in Me |*|
-|410| I Want a Principle Within||
-|413| A Charge to Keep I Have |* super easy; about half ready|
-|417| O For a Heart to Praise My God |*|
-|422| Jesus, Thine All-Victorious Love||
-|438| Forth in Thy Name, O Lord||
-|479| Jesus, Lover of My Soul||
-|501| O Thou Who Camest from Above||
-|513| Soldiers of Christ, Arise||
-|541| See How Great a Flame Aspires||
-|550| Christ, from Whom All Blessings Flow||
-|553| And Are We Yet Alive |* Denis; about 90% ready|
-|554| All Praise to Our Redeeming Lord||
-|561| Jesus, United by Thy Grace||
-|562| Jesus, Lord, We Look to Thee |*|
-|566| Blest Be the Dear Uniting Love||
-|603| Come, Holy Ghost, Our Hearts Inspire||
-|606| Come, Let Us Use the Grace Divine||
-|613| O Thou Who This Mysterious Bread||
-|616| Come, Sinners, to the Gospel Feast |* (Duplicate of 339)|
-|627| O the Depth of Love Divine |* This is not familiar to me.|
-|635| Because Thou Hast Said||
-|650| Give Me the Faith Which Can Remove||
-|699| Come, and Let Us Sweetly Join||
-|709| Come, Let Us Join Our Friends Above|* I like this one. It's less than half ready.|
-|715| Rejoice, the Lord Is King|* I like this one but I //really// like the LDS version...|
-|716| Rejoice, the Lord Is King | [this harmonization is much more difficult]|
-|718| Lo, He Comes with Clouds Descending||
-^ John Wesley ^^^
-|60| I’ll Praise My Maker While I’ve Breath||
-|129| Give to the Winds Thy Fears||
-|414| Thou Hidden Love of God||
-|607| A Covenant Prayer in the Wesleyan Tradition |(see W&S 3115 for a crappy arrangement)|
 =====Calendar=====
 I want to have **one or two** hymns per week to sing and discuss.
-As of Feb. 23, there are nine* that I'm completely confident I will have ready before the class starts. There is plenty of time to add more. Figure it takes three weeks for me to learn a hymn, and I can probably only learn two at a time.
+I probably need help choosing which hymns to put on which weeks, what questions to ask, etc.
-(*ten if we count 196, but I am really struggling with the UMH harmonization. Full disclosure: I could never play the LDS version either. It only has two verses so I would need to be convinced that it's worth the effort.)
-Of the remaining starred hymns, most are less familiar to me, or I struggle to play them.
-In terms of theming, **"Please Advise"**. I'm not used to having this much freedom.
 ====June 7====
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 ====June 14====
-==O For A Thousand Tongues to Sing==
+==UMH 67: O For A Thousand Tongues to Sing==
 (Potential) questions:
   * If you had a thousand tongues, what song would you sing?
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 ====June 21====
+==UMH 129 - Give To The Winds Thy Fears==
+  * Short, but good. A diversity of ideas. I suspect enough of this will resonate with the people in the room that the spontaneous discussion will default to "what's heavy on your mind, and how does God's Word address it?"
 ====June 28====
+==UMH 339: Come, Sinners, to the Gospel Feast==
 ====July 5====
-This is **JUST AN IDEA**. I'm not married to it, and if the wiser people in the room say we shouldn't, then I'll drop it.
 Definitions of words from the hymn (from Oxford English Dictionary):
   * Panoply
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 First, note that this is in the //Sanctifying and Perfecting Grace// section of the hymnal.
-I have pretty strong feelings that military-speak doesn't belong in our worship. But we have to acknowledge that the Bible contains a lot of war, and a lot of what we today would consider war crimes. Through history more recent than the Bible, Jesus' name has been used to commit acts of war and violence against people across many parts of the world, and today in the United States there is an influential and powerful movement to make our country both exclusively Christian and militarily superior, and marry those two things together.
+  * The Armor of God: Ephesians 6:10-20, Romans 8:28-38
-How does our community specifically deal with Christian Nationalism? Does it align with the teachings of Jesus? ("You've heard it said, thou shalt not kill, but I tell you, if you are angry with your brother, you are in need of repentance")
+From the text, it is explicit that our fight is metaphorical and not literal.
-Does it fall to us to resist Christian Nationalism, and if so, what are we going to do about it?
+FIXME Attach the UMC document about Christian Nationalism
-Coming back to this hymn, are we willing to look at the militaristic language purely metaphorically? (Tie in Romans, "putting on the armor of God")
 ====July 12====
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 ====August 23====
+==UMH 709: Come, Let Us Join Our Friends Above==
 ====August 30====
+==UMH 60: I'll Praise My Maker While I've Breath==
 This is the last class of the series. Some points that can't be left out:
   * Plug the next Sunday School series and note if the time is changing
   * Suggest joining the chancel choir