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Intention and Design

There are thirteen classes. Intentions for the series:

  • Fill thirteen weeks
  • Hold singing in the space and time where choir practice would be
  • Increase participation in choir when it starts back up
  • Get David proficient enough with keyboards to play nice music in the sanctuary before service starts. (This is part of a larger conversation.)

To these ends, I want to move Sunday School downstairs to the Wesley Chapel where there is a better-maintained piano.

Intentions for every week:

  • Make “a few minutes late” still work
  • Begin and end with a prayer
  • Sing and discuss at least one hymn
  • Conclude promptly by 11:00 so people can do what they need to before worship service starts

The first will be introductory and maybe we just do one hymn in order to make extra time to explain the intention and design of the series.

Hymns

These are (almost) all the hymns in the blue hymnal by Charles and John Wesley. I've added asterisks for hymns when someone has pointed one out as a favorite.

Number Title Remarks
Charles Wesley
57 O For a Thousand Tongues to Sing* Ready to play
88 Maker, in Whom We Live
96 Praise the Lord Who Reigns Above
153 Thou Hidden Source of Calm Repose
173 Christ, Whose Glory Fills the Skies
181 Ye Servants of God
193 Jesus! The Name High over All
196 Come, Thou Long-Expected Jesus * Hyfrydol; only 2 verses. I kinda don't want to…
240 Hark! The Herald Angels Sing * about half ready
282 Tis Finished! The Messiah Dies
287 O Love Divine, What Hast Thou Done
302 Christ the Lord Is Risen Today * about half ready
312 Hail the Dat That Sees Him Rise
332 Spirit of Faith, Come Down
339 Come, Sinners, to the Gospel Feast * 90% ready
355 Depth of Mercy
363 And Can It Be that I Should Gain
372 How Can We Sinners Know
379 Blow Ye the Trumpet, Blow
384 Love Divine, All Loves Excelling * more than half ready
385 Let Us Plead for Faith Alone
386 Come, O Thou Traveler Unknown
388 O Come and Dwell in Me *
410 I Want a Principle Within
413 A Charge to Keep I Have * super easy; about half ready
417 O For a Heart to Praise My God *
422 Jesus, Thine All-Victorious Love
438 Forth in Thy Name, O Lord
479 Jesus, Lover of My Soul
501 O Thou Who Camest from Above
513 Soldiers of Christ, Arise
541 See How Great a Flame Aspires
550 Christ, from Whom All Blessings Flow
553 And Are We Yet Alive * Denis; about 90% ready
554 All Praise to Our Redeeming Lord
561 Jesus, United by Thy Grace
562 Jesus, Lord, We Look to Thee *
566 Blest Be the Dear Uniting Love
603 Come, Holy Ghost, Our Hearts Inspire
606 Come, Let Us Use the Grace Divine
613 O Thou Who This Mysterious Bread
616 Come, Sinners, to the Gospel Feast * (Duplicate of 339)
627 O the Depth of Love Divine * This is not familiar to me.
635 Because Thou Hast Said
650 Give Me the Faith Which Can Remove
699 Come, and Let Us Sweetly Join
709 Come, Let Us Join Our Friends Above* I like this one. It's less than half ready.
715 Rejoice, the Lord Is King* I like this one but I really like the LDS version…
716 Rejoice, the Lord Is King [this harmonization is much more difficult]
718 Lo, He Comes with Clouds Descending
John Wesley
60 I’ll Praise My Maker While I’ve Breath
129 Give to the Winds Thy Fears
414 Thou Hidden Love of God
607 A Covenant Prayer in the Wesleyan Tradition (see W&S 3115 for a crappy arrangement)

Calendar

I want to have one or two hymns per week to sing and discuss.

As of Feb. 23, there are nine* that I'm completely confident I will have ready before the class starts. There is plenty of time to add more. Figure it takes three weeks for me to learn a hymn, and I can probably only learn two at a time.

(*ten if we count 196, but I am really struggling with the UMH harmonization. Full disclosure: I could never play the LDS version either. It only has two verses so I would need to be convinced that it's worth the effort.)

Of the remaining starred hymns, most are less familiar to me, or I struggle to play them.

In terms of theming, “Please Advise”. I'm not used to having this much freedom.

June 7

Pride Weekend; we won't be having Sunday School.

June 14

O For A Thousand Tongues to Sing

(Potential) questions:

  • If you had a thousand tongues, what song would you sing?
  • What is Charles Wesley singing about?

Points I want to get to:

  • John and Charles Wesley's most enduring writings are in the hymns
  • The first page of the hymnal–the instructions on singing

June 21

June 28

July 5

This is JUST AN IDEA. I'm not married to it, and if the wiser people in the room say we shouldn't, then I'll drop it.

Definitions of words from the hymn (from Oxford English Dictionary):

  • Panoply
    1. a complete or impressive collection of things.
    2. a splendid display
    3. a complete set of arms or suit of armor
  • Endued
    1. endowed or provided with a quality or ability.
513: Soldiers of Christ, Arise

First, note that this is in the Sanctifying and Perfecting Grace section of the hymnal.

I have pretty strong feelings that military-speak doesn't belong in our worship. But we have to acknowledge that the Bible contains a lot of war, and a lot of what we today would consider war crimes. Through history more recent than the Bible, Jesus' name has been used to commit acts of war and violence against people across many parts of the world, and today in the United States there is an influential and powerful movement to make our country both exclusively Christian and militarily superior, and marry those two things together.

How does our community specifically deal with Christian Nationalism? Does it align with the teachings of Jesus? (“You've heard it said, thou shalt not kill, but I tell you, if you are angry with your brother, you are in need of repentance”)

Does it fall to us to resist Christian Nationalism, and if so, what are we going to do about it?

Coming back to this hymn, are we willing to look at the militaristic language purely metaphorically? (Tie in Romans, “putting on the armor of God”)

July 12

July 19

July 26

August 2

August 9

August 16

August 23

August 30

This is the last class of the series. Some points that can't be left out:

  • Plug the next Sunday School series and note if the time is changing
  • Suggest joining the chancel choir
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