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--- fumc:hymn-discussions [2026/02/01 16:13] – add hymns in tabular format naptastic
+++ fumc:hymn-discussions [2026/03/08 16:25] (current) – forgot one. We are now at 18 hymns. naptastic
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 =====Intention and Design=====
-There are thirteen classes. Intentions for the series:
+There are twelve classes. Intentions for the series:
-  * Fill thirteen weeks
+  * Fill twelve weeks
   * Hold singing in the space and time where choir practice would be
   * Increase participation in choir when it starts back up
+  * Get David proficient enough with keyboards to play nice music in the sanctuary before service starts. (This is part of a larger conversation.)
 To these ends, I want to move Sunday School downstairs to the Wesley Chapel where there is a better-maintained piano.
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 =====Hymns=====
-These are (almost) all the hymns in the blue hymnal by Charles and John Wesley. I've added asterisks for hymns when someone has pointed one out as a favorite.
+Here are the 18 hymns we've selected for the class. For a complete list of hymns Charles and John have in the blue book, consult the page history, or the author's index in the hymnal.
 ^ Number ^ Title ^ Remarks ^
-^ Charles Wesley ^^^
+|57| O For a Thousand Tongues to Sing|Ready to play|
-|57| O For a Thousand Tongues to Sing| *|
+|60| I’ll Praise My Maker While I’ve Breath|I need to hear this.|
-|88| Maker, in Whom We Live||
+|129| Give to the Winds Thy Fears|About 90% ready.|
-|96| Praise the Lord Who Reigns Above||
-|153| Thou Hidden Source of Calm Repose||
 |173| Christ, Whose Glory Fills the Skies||
-|181| Ye Servants of God||
+|196| Come, Thou Long-Expected Jesus |Hyfrydol; only 2 verses.|
-|193| Jesus! The Name High over All||
+|240| Hark! The Herald Angels Sing |about half ready|
-|196| Come, Thou Long-Expected Jesus |*|
+|302| Christ the Lord Is Risen Today |about half ready|
-|240| Hark! The Herald Angels Sing |*|
+|339| Come, Sinners, to the Gospel Feast |90% ready|
-|282| Tis Finished! The Messiah Dies||
+|384| Love Divine, All Loves Excelling |90% ready|
-|287| O Love Divine, What Hast Thou Done||
+|385| Let Us Plead For Faith Alone ||
-|302| Christ the Lord Is Risen Today |*|
+|413| A Charge to Keep I Have |super easy; about half ready|
-|312| Hail the Dat That Sees Him Rise||
+|417| O For a Heart to Praise My God ||
-|332| Spirit of Faith, Come Down||
-|339| Come, Sinners, to the Gospel Feast |*|
-|355| Depth of Mercy||
-|363| And Can It Be that I Should Gain||
-|372| How Can We Sinners Know||
-|379| Blow Ye the Trumpet, Blow||
-|384| Love Divine, All Loves Excelling |*|
-|385| Let Us Plead for Faith Alone||
-|386| Come, O Thou Traveler Unknown||
-|388| O Come and Dwell in Me |*|
-|410| I Want a Principle Within||
-|413| A Charge to Keep I Have |*|
-|417| O For a Heart to Praise My God |*|
-|422| Jesus, Thine All-Victorious Love||
-|438| Forth in Thy Name, O Lord||
-|479| Jesus, Lover of My Soul||
-|501| O Thou Who Camest from Above||
 |513| Soldiers of Christ, Arise||
-|541| See How Great a Flame Aspires||
+|553| And Are We Yet Alive |Denis; about 90% ready|
-|550| Christ, from Whom All Blessings Flow||
+|562| Jesus, Lord, We Look to Thee |Same tune as 385|
-|553| And Are We Yet Alive |*|
+|627| O the Depth of Love Divine |* I need to hear this.|
-|554| All Praise to Our Redeeming Lord||
+|709| Come, Let Us Join Our Friends Above|* I like this one. It's less than half ready.|
-|561| Jesus, United by Thy Grace||
+|715| Rejoice, the Lord Is King|* I like this one but I //really// like the LDS version...|
-|562| Jesus, Lord, We Look to Thee |*|
-|566| Blest Be the Dear Uniting Love||
-|603| Come, Holy Ghost, Our Hearts Inspire||
-|606| Come, Let Us Use the Grace Divine||
-|613| O Thou Who This Mysterious Bread||
-|616| Come, Sinners, to the Gospel Feast |*|
-|627| O the Depth of Love Divine |*|
-|635| Because Thou Hast Said||
-|650| Give Me the Faith Which Can Remove||
-|699| Come, and Let Us Sweetly Join||
-|709| Come, Let Us Join Our Friends Above||
-|715| Rejoice, the Lord Is King||
-|716| Rejoice, the Lord Is King | [this harmonization is much more difficult]|
-|718| Lo, He Comes with Clouds Descending||
-^ John Wesley ^^^
-|60| I’ll Praise My Maker While I’ve Breath||
-|129| Give to the Winds Thy Fears||
-|414| Thou Hidden Love of God||
-|607| A Covenant Prayer in the Wesleyan Tradition |(see W&S 3115 for a crappy arrangement)|
 =====Calendar=====
-By when do I need to have hymns picked? Figure it takes three weeks for me to learn a hymn, and I can probably only learn two at a time.
+I want to have **one or two** hymns per week to sing and discuss.
+I probably need help choosing which hymns to put on which weeks, what questions to ask, etc.
 ====June 7====
-  * Old Testament Reading: Genesis 12:1-9
+Pride Weekend; we won't be having Sunday School.
-  * Gospel Reading: Matthew 9:9-13, 18-26
-  * Epistle Reading: Romans 4:13-25
+====June 14====
+==O For A Thousand Tongues to Sing==
+(Potential) questions:
+  * If you had a thousand tongues, what song would you sing?
+  * What is Charles Wesley singing about?
 Points I want to get to:
   * John and Charles Wesley's most enduring writings are in the hymns
   * The first page of the hymnal--the instructions on singing
-==First Hymn==
-O For A Thousand Tongues to Sing
-  * If you had a thousand tongues, what song would you sing?
-  * What is Charles Wesley singing about?
-====June 14====
-  * Old Testament Reading:
-  * Gospel Reading:
-  * Epistle Reading:
 ====June 21====
-  * Old Testament Reading:
-  * Gospel Reading:
-  * Epistle Reading:
 ====June 28====
-  * Old Testament Reading:
-  * Gospel Reading:
-  * Epistle Reading:
 ====July 5====
-  * Old Testament Reading:
+Definitions of words from the hymn (from Oxford English Dictionary):
-  * Gospel Reading:
+  * Panoply
-  * Epistle Reading:
+    - a complete or impressive collection of things.
+    - a splendid display
+    - a complete set of arms or suit of armor
+  * Endued
+    - endowed or provided with a quality or ability.
+==513: Soldiers of Christ, Arise==
+First, note that this is in the //Sanctifying and Perfecting Grace// section of the hymnal.
+  * The Armor of God: Ephesians 6:10-20, Romans 8:28-38
+From the text, it is explicit that our fight is metaphorical and not literal.
+FIXME Attach the UMC document about Christian Nationalism
 ====July 12====
-  * Old Testament Reading:
-  * Gospel Reading:
-  * Epistle Reading:
 ====July 19====
-  * Old Testament Reading:
-  * Gospel Reading:
-  * Epistle Reading:
 ====July 26====
-  * Old Testament Reading:
-  * Gospel Reading:
-  * Epistle Reading:
 ====August 2====
-  * Old Testament Reading:
-  * Gospel Reading:
-  * Epistle Reading:
 ====August 9====
-  * Old Testament Reading:
-  * Gospel Reading:
-  * Epistle Reading:
 ====August 16====
-  * Old Testament Reading:
-  * Gospel Reading:
-  * Epistle Reading:
 ====August 23====
-  * Old Testament Reading:
-  * Gospel Reading:
-  * Epistle Reading:
 ====August 30====
-  * Old Testament Reading:
-  * Gospel Reading:
-  * Epistle Reading:
 This is the last class of the series. Some points that can't be left out:
   * Plug the next Sunday School series and note if the time is changing
   * Suggest joining the chancel choir